Yes, but Performance is linked to what you do with it. www.williamhenryknives.com/press-awards/press-home.html, http://www.williamhenryknives.com/press-awards/articles/ZDP.pdf, http://www.williamhenryknives.com/press-awards/articles/tactical-05.pdf, http://www.williamhenryknives.com/press-awards/articles/Spec.pdf, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. First, Kershaw uses a solid billet and I think I'm tempted to pick up a sprint run. 吉田刃物 ZDP-189 黒打 和式柄 牛刀 紫檀柄 Yoshida ZDP-189 Kurouchi Wa-handle Gyuto Rosewood Handle 佐賀県にある小さな野鍛冶さんが、研究に研究を重ね、徐々に施設を増やすことで、庖丁への使用は難しいとされていた、最高硬度を誇る鋼材の一つ、ZDP-189の鍛造に成功してできた一丁です。 VG10 VG1 AUS8 AUS10 SLD SG2 SRS13 SRS15 HAP40 FAX38 ZDP-189 Mn74 כל הפלדות סגור מספריים מספרי תפירה מקצועיים מספריים למטבח סגור השחזה אבני השחזה … Couteaux disponibles dans cet acier: Miyabi by Zwilling 5000MCD 67 Fyi, offering knives for sale is against the rules here. I'm quickly becoming a fan of the Stretch 2. On the downside, it is probably a bit harder to sharpen. If everyone started only making knives with HAP40 laminate and nothing else, I could totally live with that. Available knives in this steel: Miyabi by Zwilling 5000MCD 67 * EDITED - Please see our forum rules. À l'instar de l'acier VG10, le MC66/ZDP-189 est presque toujours fabriqué en couches. Anyone knows how much better is ZDP189 over VG-10? - TazKristi. Spyderco Counterfeits, Clones, Replicas, etc. Kohlenstoff:1 % 2. It is the ultimate steel from V-TOKU seems like it takes a keen edge as easy as VG10, maybe even easier. Kobalt:1,5 % 6. ZDP-189 vs Cowry-X As you might expect, the small alloy addition differences between ZDP-189 and Cowry-X are not expected to make a significant difference in properties between the two. I have both and prefer hap40. Re: V-Toku2 vs HAP40 vs VG10 vs ZDP189 Post by youmakemehole » Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:21 pm I have all 4 of those steels you mention and although I have not really seen much action with my V-Toku delica or have handled a Stretch, I can vouch for HAP40 as well by a long shot. However, Sukenari never forgets innovate; For example, they are eager to use new and exciting steels such as ZDP-189, ZDP-4, Aogami Super, R-2 and Super X because this enable them make a wide variety of traditionally forged Top three going by pocket-time: Endura 4 in VG 10/Micarta-scales; Stretch 1 in VG 10; Endura 4 in HAP 40. Due to the very difficult process of heat treatment and forging ZDP-189 steel, very few blacksmiths are capable of forging it. ャルを最大限に活かす、独自の方法を確立しています。 ). Just like VG10 steel MC66 / ZDP-189 steel is almost always used laminated. Vivi is one of the handful around here that seriously uses his knives...I respect the heck out of that and love to read his findings/reviews or watch his videos. I'm definitely not the steel expert that some are here but I do have experience with all the steels you mention. 钢材 2015-07-23 ELMAX钢和VG10钢谁更好 2011-05-26 ZDP-189 韧性如何?容易断吗? ただのZDPでは無い 日立金属の最新鋼、ZDP189、アルティメットプロジェクトのページでも記述していますが、極微細粒子で構成された粉末鋼合金鋼で、HRC-66付近でで安定し、切れ込み、刃持ち、粘性、対腐食性に大変優れた次世代のマテリアルです。 Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most! Außerdem ist VG-10 frei von Korrosion durch Verunreinigungen und erreicht eine gute Abriebfestigkeit. I believe ZDP-189 is a bit harder than VG-10. Vanadium:0,2 % 5. VG10 VS Steel In this section, we’re going to compare our steel with other steels, and for this, I use four criteria; Edge Retention, Corrosion resistance, Ease of Sharpness, and Toughness , and I use a scale or note from 1 to 10. I even have a Hap40 santoku kitchen knife because I liked it so much. IMHO ZDP-189 has certain applications (I think), but in a daily use knife, it may not be worth it. Part of why I'm enjoying the Stretch 2 so much is the roomy handle. Thanks. HAP40 is probably closure to Cruwear IMO. I personally don't think i'll venture into the zdp-189 stuff, i'll stick with 154cm, s30v, D2 and VG10 as my steels. Vivi, I don't feel entitled to evaluate steels and their properties on your level, just wanted to state that my HAP 40 Stretch 1 works great fo me, I have no problems keeping it sharp on a basic sharpmaker (white/brown rods) and it takes a bit harder use (carving and a bit wisting in hard wood for example) really well without chipping or the like. A day without laughter is a day wasted. [mixi]包丁マニアの情報交換 ZDP189の包丁を使ってらっしゃる方いますか ナイフ要綱財としてZDP189という粉末冶金方による鋼材がるのはご存知だと思います。 この鋼材の包丁を検索すると、大阪のメーカーの和包丁がヒットしますが、 子の日の注文生産の和包丁も炭素含有率から見て “V Gold 10“, ein hochwertiger Edelstahl mit hohem Kohlenstoffgehalt speziell für Messer. Easy to sharpen, takes a high polish, good edge holding, decently tough. According to Matt Conable of William Henry Knives,ZDP-189 is 3X better than VG-10,4x better than D2,10X better than ATS-34. S30v is gonna have a bit more of a toothy edge and hold a working edge a bit longer; VG10 is going to be a touch easier to sharpen. In a small EDC knife like the Dragonfly, that is mostly a good thing, as it should mean better edge retention, at least in theory. ZDP-189 – The steel contains as much as 3% Carbon (C), which is one of the main elements contributing strength and typically found in amounts of up to only 1% in … Do you cut wood or cut things that cause you to twist the blade as you cut? I have all 4 of those steels you mention and although I have not really seen much action with my V-Toku delica or have handled a Stretch, I can vouch for HAP40 as well by a long shot. I only shaved a small patch on my left arm with a factory edge on a V-Toku2 Stretch 2 before I sold it so I can’t say anything about the steel. Mangan:0,5 % Die Zugabe di… Chrom: 15 % 3. regarding the overall performance as a blade. 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En outre, le ZDP-189 est difficile à aiguiser. I went with VG-10 because I've never sharpened a knife yet, and wanted to learn on a steel not so challenging as ZDP-189, per the suggestion of the shop owner. Er wird aus streng selektiertem, reinen Eisen hergestellt und mit den besten Technologien bearbeitet. M4 and ZDP are in a different I may have to find a knife shop that carries them to see if I'd like the 1 as much. #4 grids7 , … In fact ZDP is quite infamous for causing issues related to its brittleness. Also, although ZDP-189 would make an excellent EDC blade, you do not really need a super steel in such a knife. Whether you see an increase in performance depends a lot on what you use the blade for. Behind the index choil that grip offers more real estate than the Manix XL I was carrying before I put the Stretch in my pocket. Perhaps the higher Mo and W in ZDP-189 somewhat improves the corrosion resistance but as seen in this article it’s not enough. And as you say, the upgrade is expensive. I can sharpen but sometimes Something as hard as zdp scares me, when it comes to resharpening I would be screwed. Hap40 is nice. "Sometimes I think that we're all little kids trying to act like grown ups, in our parents clothes. It's my favorite of the Japanese steels. If you're activities do not allow you to see the increase in performance, why pay the increase? Neben Eisen besteht er aus: 1. Hap40 is my favorite aside from Aogami. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts Molybdän:1 % 4. Hap40 is easy to sharpen too but I find it to be a great steel for toughness and edge holding. Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by floatinglife, May 4, 2007. ¥ã€ãƒŠã‚¤ãƒ•ãƒ¡ãƒ¼ã‚«ãƒ¼å‘けに刃物用鋼材の焼入れも行なっております。お問い合わせは24時間365日お受けいたします！ Do you open an occasional letter or package only? Thanks much. The corrosion resistance will beat out the other steels save for VG-10, and it will hold an edge better than most all of them aside from maybe ZDP, which may (or may not, they both perform great) have slightly better edge retention but at the cost of a good bit of toughness. I own an assisted knife and am embarrassed to admit I enjoy it. Looking to buy a Spyderco Endura, but having trouble deciding whether to get the standard VG-10 or upgrade to ZDP-189 (also, the dark green handles … Press J to jump to the feed. V-toku sharpens like most other simpler carbon steels. I own ZDP knives from Spyderco, Kershaw and William Henry. ZDP-189 is a stainless steel often used by Rockstead Knives, a company known to make some of the sharpest knives on the market. I also have them all, and vastly prefer Hap40. To sum it up, HAP40/SUS410 laminate imo has edge retention good enough if not much better than what the average knife owner will need, corrosion resistance that most people can easily manage, and a more than satisfactory amount of toughness for a folding knife application. In addition, ZDP-189 is difficult to sharpen. The unique Sukenari ZDP 189 line, including both Damascus and Hairline, utilise the Hitachi's latest ZDP-189 powdered steel, heat treated to HRC 66-67, offers exceptional sharpness and edge retention. ~ Charlie Chaplin, The "Spirit" of the design does not come through unless used. I've only ever had one spot on hap40 too, fwiw. What do you use your daily blade to do? ZDP-189 is one of the best high-performance steels used for kitchen knives. Still, VG10 and S30v are pretty close regarding edge retention. In operation since 1998, BladeForums.com has led the industry since Day 1. I overlooked the fact that the HAP40 run was only for the Stretch 1. -Sal. でも充分に硬く、良く切れプロ仕様としてもまったく問題ないのですが、さらに硬い新素材が開発されました。